jlane wrote: climbo_bg wrote:
Very good job, ROCKMONKEY!!!
Another guy concerned with putting his name on the crag, probably with a line that no one will try or even destroying the line with a “great drilling”
Javier concerned on the spot because uneducated people are destroying routes and lines - forever!
Why people are too concerned with FA’s and “Drilling Routes” than climbing???
Tonight at azr I was retained as climbo_bg's official interpreter.
This message should go something like this (his words not mine)
In terms of route setting one of the worst areas in terms of quality and safety I have ever climbed at was The Homestead. I hope the same thing doesn't happen at these new limestone areas. People just want to drill holes and not put up quality routes that have been decently cleaned and without 50 foot groundfall potential. If you are going to put up a route at the very least clean the loose blocks that are as big as my head off of it before you put up the next problem 36cm down the wall. Why are these people not climbing many different areas to get a feel for what is good? Do the developers know proper bolt placement?
Tell Minko (if neccessary) that he should spend more time seeking and less time talking. Nobody had to give me a tour to fing the good stuff in the Homnestead or any other crag in the region I was able to find them on my own. There are many people (including JBone) who have put in many hours and money to find and develop many areas in the Homestead and the surrounding cliffs. Hundreds of routes that are quality.
To generalize that people just want to drill holes and not put up quality routes is not even close to accurate, it is in fact false. Especially when coming from someone so removed from the actual scene of climbers who are doing the drilling and putting up the routes. He obviously does not know what he is saying. If he wants to criticize a route or routes so be it, but why the attacks on everybody?
I can say, because I have been to most areas in the Homestead that the cliff Minko was on (I am assuming it was Bonetown, please correctly if I am wrong) is the least quality crag in the Homestead. It was really only developed because it is close and it is steep. There are a couple of quality routes there, but it is really just a cliff close to the car.
I would recomemend to anybody going to any crag out there to where a helmet, there are freezes that loosen blocks from season to season, climber beware.